This is really bad for Spain/EU. There are 2 posibilities. 1) A coallition of 7 parties who lost the election. Some of them are far-left and the others are working to leave Spain. 2) New elections at the end of the year.
Review your sources because VOX is not fascist in any way. It’s considered far-rigth by some media because they defend the traditional family and inmigration controls, but they are democrats and they want a strong nation. You can’t say the same thing for the independentists.
I’m Spanish too but I don’t vote for any party. If VOX are fascists I hope you call the far-left parties comunists + fascists too. If you don’t see it that way, you’re just whitewashing them and spreading their propaganda.
I don’t think “whitewashing” is the word you were looking for, I don’t see how racism has anything to do with this.
Vox are against basic human rights, misogynists, racists, homophobes, etc. I’ll remind you the recent controversy where they said an “immigrant” committed some murder when it was in fact two Spaniards that did it. They support Franco’s dictatorship, they want to go back to having women with no rights depending on their husbands for literally anything. They want to get rid of all the groups of people they don’t like, although they don’t openly say it like that. They are friends of wealthy people (who give them fundings) and have their best interests in mind, not those of the common people. They want to get rid of public healthcare, of pension funds, and other types of social benefits. They don’t care about the environment or global warming.
Meanwhile, the “communists” are trying to eradicate violence against minorities, giving more rights to people and they’ve economically done a good job. And they have done nothing that is even remotely “communist” (please give me a counterexample).
I don’t want to spend time defending VOX because I don’t like them. Some of the things you said are right but exaggerated. They want stronger laws against crimes and illegal immigration, it’s not against human rights. Franco’s death was 50 years ago, please move on, Spain is a totally different country now. The friends of wealthy people are PP and PSOE (or any with politic power). They are in favor of universal free education and universal free healthcare, but the services must be provided by private companies because it’s more efficient than public employees.
Please do not insult my intelligence saying the people has more rights and economic well being with the “communists”. If you really live in Spain I don’t have to explain you that the economy is worse than ever. You are poorer every day even if you don’t know the data. Spain was the 8th most rich country per capita in 2005, close to France and Italy. Now we are 36 and going down => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
The communist try to solve all the problems with
laws that limit the individual rights and the personal property. you own nothing, the state will give you the things you need as long as you vote me
tax to the wealthy and private companies. i could agree, but if you earn 30.000€ / year you are considered rich. That’s 1500€ * 14 months. if you earn that you are not rich by any means but they want to tax you to death. we have few companies and few wealthy people, soon won’t be anything to tax
public workers and state owned companies. sumar/podemos has in his electoral program state owned banks, state owned houses, state owned utilities, state owned transport, state owned pensions, state owned education, state owned health, state owned news/tv
They want to apply in Spain the policies that have failed in all communist countries. All of them very democratic and Sumar supports them.
I’m German and I can tell you that the state-owned vs private discussion is quite complex. In Germany the train, post service, telephone/internet, and many more things were state-owned not to long ago (about 20-25 years most of them). Nowadays many of them are private. The train is expensive, run down and horribly unreliable. The CEOs have salaries going up to almost a million Euros per year. Our health system is the 2nd most expensive one in the world and it’s quite a shit-show. Mobile internet is expensive, even though there is some competition in that market.
There are simply things that shouldn’t be optimized to make the biggest profit but to profit the people! Education, health and housing are good examples.
That’s a competition problem. If its a monopoly and you just change the owner you are not solving anything. The state job must be guarantee the competition, not to run all kind of business.
With the levels of corruption, unemployment and nepotism in Spain the less state the better., They want to run state owned business to give jobs to his familys, friends and politics. All state owned business here give really bad service and they lost hundreds of millions every year that are paid by all taxpayers, not just the users.
I don’t have a dog in the fight and unfortunately I can’t read the Spanish sources above but I appreciate you taking the time to defend your point even when you won’t get any love on this site.
This is really bad for Spain/EU. There are 2 posibilities. 1) A coallition of 7 parties who lost the election. Some of them are far-left and the others are working to leave Spain. 2) New elections at the end of the year.
No, this is actually pretty good. No fascist government is a win :)
Review your sources because VOX is not fascist in any way. It’s considered far-rigth by some media because they defend the traditional family and inmigration controls, but they are democrats and they want a strong nation. You can’t say the same thing for the independentists.
I’m spanish, I’ve literally seen Vox spewing their shit in the streets. They are fascists.
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I’m Spanish too but I don’t vote for any party. If VOX are fascists I hope you call the far-left parties comunists + fascists too. If you don’t see it that way, you’re just whitewashing them and spreading their propaganda.
I don’t think “whitewashing” is the word you were looking for, I don’t see how racism has anything to do with this.
Vox are against basic human rights, misogynists, racists, homophobes, etc. I’ll remind you the recent controversy where they said an “immigrant” committed some murder when it was in fact two Spaniards that did it. They support Franco’s dictatorship, they want to go back to having women with no rights depending on their husbands for literally anything. They want to get rid of all the groups of people they don’t like, although they don’t openly say it like that. They are friends of wealthy people (who give them fundings) and have their best interests in mind, not those of the common people. They want to get rid of public healthcare, of pension funds, and other types of social benefits. They don’t care about the environment or global warming.
Meanwhile, the “communists” are trying to eradicate violence against minorities, giving more rights to people and they’ve economically done a good job. And they have done nothing that is even remotely “communist” (please give me a counterexample).
FYI, whitewashing makes perfect sense to use there:
It has nothing to do with race in this context.
I don’t want to spend time defending VOX because I don’t like them. Some of the things you said are right but exaggerated. They want stronger laws against crimes and illegal immigration, it’s not against human rights. Franco’s death was 50 years ago, please move on, Spain is a totally different country now. The friends of wealthy people are PP and PSOE (or any with politic power). They are in favor of universal free education and universal free healthcare, but the services must be provided by private companies because it’s more efficient than public employees.
Please do not insult my intelligence saying the people has more rights and economic well being with the “communists”. If you really live in Spain I don’t have to explain you that the economy is worse than ever. You are poorer every day even if you don’t know the data. Spain was the 8th most rich country per capita in 2005, close to France and Italy. Now we are 36 and going down => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
The communist try to solve all the problems with
They want to apply in Spain the policies that have failed in all communist countries. All of them very democratic and Sumar supports them.
I’m German and I can tell you that the state-owned vs private discussion is quite complex. In Germany the train, post service, telephone/internet, and many more things were state-owned not to long ago (about 20-25 years most of them). Nowadays many of them are private. The train is expensive, run down and horribly unreliable. The CEOs have salaries going up to almost a million Euros per year. Our health system is the 2nd most expensive one in the world and it’s quite a shit-show. Mobile internet is expensive, even though there is some competition in that market.
There are simply things that shouldn’t be optimized to make the biggest profit but to profit the people! Education, health and housing are good examples.
That’s a competition problem. If its a monopoly and you just change the owner you are not solving anything. The state job must be guarantee the competition, not to run all kind of business.
With the levels of corruption, unemployment and nepotism in Spain the less state the better., They want to run state owned business to give jobs to his familys, friends and politics. All state owned business here give really bad service and they lost hundreds of millions every year that are paid by all taxpayers, not just the users.
I don’t have a dog in the fight and unfortunately I can’t read the Spanish sources above but I appreciate you taking the time to defend your point even when you won’t get any love on this site.
I’m Spanish and literally there are neo nazies in VOX