How is that not punishment for speech? If this is the new standard you could send ppl on probation back to prison for anything the court deams negative
There’s no punishment, they’re telling him that if he wants early release and intends to perform, that the content of his performance be reviewed ahead of time.
Because he would never have been able to have that performance AT ALL if still incarcerated.
He is asking for early release and it is being granted with certain restrictions.
People on probation get sent back when they break laws, violating the terms of that probation. This guy hasn’t gotten to probation yet and is more restricted.
I see your point though, and it would be double jeopardy if they fully released him while continuing to punish him in other ways. That just isn’t what’s happening here. He’s trying to get out early.
Personally I dont see the difference. (I do see the difference between probation and supervised release now). It essentially claims a prisoner (incarcerated or on supervised release) has no freedom of speech.
Right or wrong, the whole point of incarceration is removing freedoms as punitive punishment for committing crimes.
Probation, supervised release, it’s not the same as having served the sentence (and therefore gaining most rights back,). For example, a pedophile is probably going to never be allowed to work around kids and doing so on probation or sup. release is going to see them sent back into jail.
It’s wrong. Incarceration doesn’t mean you lose your citizenship and citizens of the US are still entitled to basic rights such as speech. Prisoners supposedly have rights that protect them from the state.
Prisoners still have the rights of the 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments. They are many cases of prisoners successfully sueing for having those rights violated.
We shouldn’t act like they don’t exist simply because some of the powers that be want to pretend they don’t
How is that not punishment for speech? If this is the new standard you could send ppl on probation back to prison for anything the court deams negative
There’s no punishment, they’re telling him that if he wants early release and intends to perform, that the content of his performance be reviewed ahead of time.
Because he would never have been able to have that performance AT ALL if still incarcerated.
He is asking for early release and it is being granted with certain restrictions.
People on probation get sent back when they break laws, violating the terms of that probation. This guy hasn’t gotten to probation yet and is more restricted.
I see your point though, and it would be double jeopardy if they fully released him while continuing to punish him in other ways. That just isn’t what’s happening here. He’s trying to get out early.
Personally I dont see the difference. (I do see the difference between probation and supervised release now). It essentially claims a prisoner (incarcerated or on supervised release) has no freedom of speech.
Right or wrong, the whole point of incarceration is removing freedoms as punitive punishment for committing crimes.
Probation, supervised release, it’s not the same as having served the sentence (and therefore gaining most rights back,). For example, a pedophile is probably going to never be allowed to work around kids and doing so on probation or sup. release is going to see them sent back into jail.
It’s wrong. Incarceration doesn’t mean you lose your citizenship and citizens of the US are still entitled to basic rights such as speech. Prisoners supposedly have rights that protect them from the state.
We should all be more upset about this
Prisoners have rights? As the last constitutionally protected form of slaves?
And yes. It’s wrong.
I just think if we solve the larger problem this won’t be an issue.
Prisoners still have the rights of the 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments. They are many cases of prisoners successfully sueing for having those rights violated.
We shouldn’t act like they don’t exist simply because some of the powers that be want to pretend they don’t
You do realize though that freedom of speech does not mean freedom to say whatever you want, yes?
Red flag laws maybe? Most of them are very new and obscurly written. I’m just guessing tho.