Hi everyone, I am looking for an encrypted messaging service to start using and recommending to my friends and family, I really want to get this right the first time. At the moment I’m looking at using matrix I really like it’s bridges and federated nature, Although I’m not 100% sure about it’s ux.
What I want to ask is what messaging service do you use and do you have any regrets with it? What encrypted messaging service would you recommended?
Edit: I just had another question are any of the bridges in matrix end to end encrypted? If person A used matrix and person B used signal could person A use a bridge to talk to person B securely?
Edit 2: thanks for all the responses guys it looks like signal seams like the best option since it has really good security like many other messaging apps but it’s also easy to use.
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To answer your edit: No. They use different encryption algorithms.
for me it’s xmpp. now that monal on ios has almost reached feature parity with conversations on android, there’s no reason xmpp shouldn’t be the go-to alternative to whatsapp.
I don’t think signal is the answer. a centralised service susceptible to all the things wrong with whatsapp. matrix is bloated. push notifications on simplex android is still sketchy.
and i dont buy the argument that onboarding is too complicated these days. most people can make an account for anything they feel is worth it.
Recommending to friends and family means Signal. With a phone number they can start using the gold standard for encryption from the get go.
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Listn, I don’t mind occasionally moving your scrolls back and forth, but if you would attach them to my back instead of my legs it would make it a lot easier OK.
I’d consider Signal to be the gold standard of secure communications.
You can describe it to them like WhatsApp, except it’s private, secure, not Facebook-owned, nonprofit so it can’t be bought or sold, etc.
Here’s the blog post that I share with my friends comparing Signal to iMessage and WhatsApp when they ask me about it.
It usually answers most of their questions.
I just moved to Signal and have convinced most of my family and many friends to join. It is very secure, non-profit and doesn’t share much personal data (the least of the main messaging services) and most of my luddite family has been able to figure it out.
I’ve used Signal since it first came out as TextSecure like 10+ years ago.
It doesnt have fancy bells or whistles, but its work well for me and good enough that ive gotten elderly family members to use it too
Signal. It’s changed a lot. For the better.
Contains proprietary code. I recommend Molly-FOSS instead.
Upvoted.
Appreciate the reply, but I don’t mind some proprietary code. There are very few reviews of open code by respected bodies (I’m writing in generality here). I’m certainly not qualified to review code. Just being open is only the beginning of the journey.
As we’ve seen with some open software recently there are some active hackers successfully targeting open software because it is open. Such exploits are not always discovered in good time.
https://thenewstack.io/why-so-much-open-source-software-is-vulnerable-to-hackers/
https://thehackernews.com/2025/01/github-desktop-vulnerability-risks.html
Etc etc.
I place store by the warrant responses and action of government entities against some software.
Thanks. You’re not wrong, and I appreciate the well-written response. Some might say you are defending/advocating proprietary software with this stance, but I don’t think there is a clear answer either way that applies to every circumstance.
Thank-you for your kindness. And it is really kind!
I’m old so my view of prop software is rooted in the change of early Microsoft et al bringing real change to the dubious parasitic entities that they are today. I watched it slowly happen and have been delighted and contributing in a small way with Linux since the turn of the century.
RedHat had been sold to the ‘no-one ever got fired for buying IBM’ (I still can’t believe that they believed that that was a winning slogan). In these trying times the love for open source isn’t translating into enough cash; average people are stretched.
I can’t wait for the leaders in my country to stop pandering to the world’s oligarchs and serve the people that elected them.
Just a note that there’s an in development fediverse app called ‘sup’ by the creators of pixelfed. It’s not released yet but is going to be encrypted and Open Source. https://mastodon.social/@dansup/113912441928236882
Signal is the easiest with true end to end encryption with keys stored on the endpoints only.
Personally I’d go with Signal. Matrix has a certain jank level IME, for example rooms can get desynced between homeservers and the only way to fix is to create a new room and abandon the old one. Not sure how often that happens for small scale use though, I’ve only seen it in large rooms.
I will second the others that only suggest Signal or a variant of Signal like Langis or Molly. Everybody has each other’s phone numbers, go with Signal so people don’t need any other contact information.
Never heard of Langis before :)
No bridges are not end 2 end encrypted. The best you can do is host the server and bridge in your own home and thus have the bridge “end” in a secure location.
If your friends and family are not very technical, then Matrix is probably a bad idea as it tends to be quite in your face about all sorts of technical issues especially with the encryption keys and so on. It works ok usually once everything is set up though.
XMPP is IMHO the better option as the mobile apps are easier to understand and the e2ee usually works out of the box and stays out of the way unless you specifically want to mess around with it. For a friends & family server I recommend setting up https://snikket.org/ or rent a server from them cheaply.
There are also good bridges for XMPP, but setting them up requires more understanding of self-hosting.
I second xmpp + omemo, and would caution that as far as I can remember matrix leaks significant metadata when syncing between instances/services.
As a personal decision I got away from signal (molly in fact) more than a year ago.
I’m also keep jami working with my family, particularly for things not requiring immediate response. It’s a different beast, since it’s p2p, but there’s no server associated to it, no matter if decentralized or not. It’s easy as well, just not as responsive, in particular if looking for immediate responses… I like and keep both, hoping jami improves.
Matrix, xmpp, simplex. Do not use Signal or any service with centralized servers hosted in a 5 eyes country.
Seconding simplex. Having a built in way to obfuscate IP is very nice. But its more for privacy extremism and small group chats for people in vulnerable situations, matrix is best for most situations e.g. community and interest groups. I also had some ease with setting up simplex with my grandma, funny enough. Not needing to make an account made it much easier for her.
Hope Lemmy gets a simplexchat field one day!
Signal for your family (mostly due to interface), Matrix for online communities, and SimplexChat if you’re trying to be a privacy extremist. I did have some success with setting simplexchat up for some old people over the phone because they didn’t need an account.
