The Debian Publicity Team is stepping away from X/Twitter, citing concerns over values and diversity.
    • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 hours ago

      I’ve been working on writing my own forum in C# lately. Meant to look like some places I went on back in 2009-ish

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    11·
    5 hours ago

    If you ask me, this looks like a big possibility, as X/Twitter’s evident bias towards the newly established U.S. government and their favoring of one demographic over the other could have set off Debian’s move.

    That’s just me speculating, though. 🙃

    No, you got it right. I get that you need to cover your ass to avoid a lawsuit, but it’s exactly because a guy who loves the adoration of nazis owns the platform.

  • PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world
    17·
    4 hours ago

    How does one not feel safe on a digital platform? Even if someone physically threatens you, nothing is going to happen to you. And you can block/mute people you don’t care for.

  • rational_lib@lemmy.world
    61·
    22 hours ago

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Ironic when X shuts out anyone who isn’t logged in and shuts out anyone who doesn’t pay for a blue checkmark from having visible replies.

    Having an X account isn’t consequence-free - if it becomes where updates occur, people have to sign up for an account and subject themselves to nazis everywhere and all manner of crypto spam just to see updates. And they have to pay Elon tribute to be heard in response. It’s crazy that anyone sees it as being friendly to users.

    • Ferk@lemmy.ml
      5·
      10 hours ago

      Were they using Twitter to provide exclusive updates not available anywhere else?

      My impression from the post is that they are publishing the exact same updates in multiple locations, including mastodon at https://framapiaf.org/@debian …so just because they were publishing in that one extra site to make it accessible to a particular subset of people does not mean all other people were being shut off from receiving updates.

      However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS.

        • Ferk@lemmy.ml
          2·
          10 hours ago

          I don’t know enough detail about ATproto, but I wonder if it’s technically possible to block access to posts without also blocking federation. From what I’ve heard the functionality is more modular than Activitypub (content indexing being a separate service from content hosting) so I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t possible.

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
    80·
    1 day ago

    When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it’s usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.

  • nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    461·
    24 hours ago

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn’t “shut out” anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What’s the argument here, exactly, from the other side?

    • Ferk@lemmy.ml
      4·
      10 hours ago

      I think the argument is that those alternatives already existed before. Twitter was not being prioritized, it was essentially mirroring the content already available in RSS, mastodon, etc. So effectively, there’s now one less place where the news will be visible.

      However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS, even if it means effectively “shutting off” a portion of users who don’t wanna leave the twitter bubble.

  • markstos@lemmy.world
    451·
    1 day ago

    My town’s subreddit just started a policy to disallow links to X for similar reasons.

    There is a movement to avoid the platform.

  • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
    791·
    1 day ago

    Good, now if only OpenSource devs switched from Discord to let’s say Matrix/XMPP

    We’d be partying

    • MashedTech@lemmy.world
      49·
      1 day ago

      go back to forums. Support in discord is awful. Discord is not as searchable as a forum public on the internet

      • Dojan@lemmy.world
        34·
        1 day ago

        Yeah, forums please. I hate the idea of troubleshooting information being locked behind some stupid software we can’t easily index and search. Forums can be put on archive.org, you can literally print a page, or save it as a PDF for reviewing later. You can make use of bookmark software like Linkwarden to archive things.

        Discord? Not so much. You can use third party software to scrape it and save information, but no search engine can index it. Community building is great, but I loathe having to trawl through tonnes of blithering blathering conversation BS just to figure out where to find firmware for a particular chip I have is.

        Makes me want to projectile vomit all over the place, throw my computer out the window, and move to convent.

        • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          14·
          1 day ago

          Thank you! This has always been my main gripe about “collaboration platforms” in general (Discord, Slack, Teams, WebEx, etc). It’s just chat with extra steps, and does not make important information any easier to find.

          • Dojan@lemmy.world
            7·
            21 hours ago

            Oh my gods, the mess that is Teams. When I first started working at my current company I was kind of excited because all of the software just works together. It felt novel, and I was enchanted by it. That quickly died when I realised that it makes finding anything a nightmare. There’s a billion different tabs and solutions for every single individual thing, and even multiple things within the same project. I think the main project I work on has like fifteen different test documents, and good luck trying to find the documentation for pushing stuff live! The only real way to find things is to ask someone who knows. There’s half a billion different search bars and finding the right one is just way too time consuming.

            • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              7·
              21 hours ago

              The “searchification” of fucking everything is driving me absolutely insane! No, I don’t want a search bar to be the only way to find things, and hiding the actual file functions does nobody any favors. Having a big prominent search bar in your product only tells me that you’re actively scraping my data to sell to advertisers.

      • SDK@midwest.socialEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        I want to move my music discord to a forum platform. Can anyone recommend a good FOSS forum with good iOS/mobile app support? Some of the musicians are going to resist if there isn’t a decent, usable, mobile app. It’s been a long time since I set up a forum. Last one I installed on a server was phpBB!

      • Océane@jlai.luFrançais
        1·
        1 day ago

        I may sound too radical, but I’d go so far as to support a common Logseq knowledge graph.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
      16·
      1 day ago

      God I hope I live to see the day. Discord at first appears like a good IRC wrapper, but the XP of actually using it is fucking gross.

    • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      If we’re swapping out discord, please just go with Zulip… It’s FLOSS, and has a solid company backing it that actually cares about FLOSS (They even bought the product back, after it was sold to a company that was enshittifying it)/

    • The Bard in Green@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz
      6·
      1 day ago

      Having worked on a couple of Matrix deployments over the last year, that shit needs to be simpler and easier, yo? Once the Matrix server exists, it’s easy enough to get people to use it.

      Contrast it’s ease of deployment with Mumble for example.

        • raver@lemmy.rimkus.it
          2·
          8 hours ago

          First it is reinventing the wheel, xmpp exists for a very long time, second there are only a few server implementations, third the resource consumption of them is so high that you can’t really run it reliably on a raspberry pi for your family

  • Jhex@lemmy.world
    581·
    1 day ago

    I didn’t really need another reason to love Debian more but here we are… I’m donating to Debian today

    • SVcrossDO@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 day ago

      Oh I like that rhythm.

      "I’m lock up, no way Corps and hearsay Brought me to jail FOSS not too late

      All I say is I’m donating to debian today"

      • IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        18·
        1 day ago

        This is to me one of the major reasons Twitter discourse is completely ruined and the platform is mostly useless for seeing what people think now.

        When the only people who get to be at the top of discussions are people who pay for twitter, the only opinions that get shared are those that are pro Twitter, pro Elon, etc. Because they have a direct stake in the game.

        And that’s if the accounts posting aren’t all bots that pay for a checkmark to boost engagement, which is almost all I see when I occasionally have to check Twitter these days.

        So glad more people are leaving it. There’s nothing to gain from it anymore.

    • Zink@programming.dev
      11·
      23 hours ago

      That first reply highlights a major difference in how people approach the world.

      Speaking very generally, conservatism and right wing politics seen to attract those who see everything as a competition and that dominating other people is what it means to be a good person. Funny that it also leads to frustrated, angry, isolated people.

      So if we want to switch to using a website that doesn’t promote hurting/killing 2% of the population, we are now BOWING DOWN to the minority some of us would not rather murder.

      It’s the same reason they hate DEI so much.

    • dantheclamman@lemmy.world
      17·
      1 day ago

      It is depressing, but I try not to forget we are seeing a sort of survivorship bias of stupidity on the former Twitter at this point. The cohort of remaining posting accounts is dumber and dumber on average. And this dynamic is magnified in the replies, because they are paid blue accounts at the top. Eg, self-selected losers. (The top account has likely just hidden their checkmark)

      Edit: PS, are you still using Nitter? I thought it had died?

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
      10·
      1 day ago

      Ah, that captures such a stark answer to why people use xitter though.

      It’s not “so I can hear from you” it’s “So YoU cAn HeAr FrOm Us!!!11oneone”

      Walled gardens? More like prison yard. Lol

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
    1833·
    2 days ago

    Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Nah, I think I’m cool if Debian doesn’t respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

    • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
      71·
      1 day ago

      Yeah, that section is bad.

      For one, it’s has classic vibe “if you want to keep the nazis out, you’re the one who’s exclusionary”.

      But also, how is refusing to engage on a platform “shutting out a significant portion of [the] community”? That sounds backwards to me. Blocking people from engaging with Debian on its own platforms would be shutting them out. The implication in the article is that Debian is obligated to be unconditionally present on every social platform its users might be on.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        40·
        1 day ago

        The other twist is, unlike Xitter, you don’t have to create an account on Mastodon to be able to read their feed. You can access it like any other website. So nobody is getting shut out. They’re just posting elsewhere, where anyone can read it.

        • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
          13·
          1 day ago

          You don’t even have to go to the website. Every Mastodon feed can be accessed via RSS. You just have to add “.rss” to the end of the URL.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            13·
            1 day ago

            That’s a super neat trick actually. Why the heck has RSS been losing popularity when it seems to be the only protocol you really need to keep up with what you actually care about?

            Oh I just answered my own question: It must be harder to hijack RSS with intrusive ads and clickbait…

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      50·
      1 day ago

      Yeah what the fuck is with that.

      It’s a very twitter centric view of the web. If you’re not on xitter you’re “shutting out a significant portion”.

      The thing is, it’s not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

      You’d consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there’s not really any decision to be made honestly.