Yup.

You’d think suffering would lead people to vote more responsibly. But I guess it has the opposite effect. I guess maybe their lives are such shit that what’s coming isn’t going to make their lives much worse. But it certainly won’t make them better.

I used to. Now I realize what’s coming is inevitable.

I applaud your optimism and support you in what I believe is a worthwhile, but ultimately futile endeavor. Good luck.

We don’t with that attitude.

Not sure if you noticed, but the attitude in America is dominated by proud ignorance and failure to discern real data from propaganda.

Rather than assuming things are as bad as they could possibly be, they aren’t

Not yet, but the stage is set for that scenario.

I recommend using humor as a coping mechanism.

That time is past.

“The government that you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson

Yup. That’s actually why I’m almost relieved in a way. The last 4 years I spent A LOT of time on social media trying to combat misinformation by spreading factual data. It didn’t matter. Americans aren’t intersted in learning. Many aren’t even interested in doing their civic duty by voting. So now I’m hands off. I’m just here to watch the slow (or maybe fast) collapse. I honestly don’t believe there’s much to be done about it at this point.

The collected data over time is there. Freely available. It clearly shows us which choice was the more intelligent choice. And we ignored that and chose poorly at a vital point in American history, despite being given all the warning signs.

We are simply a society set up to fail.

Yup.

I’ve never met a conservative that argued in good faith, had actual solutions to problems, or had their priorities straight.

It’s all about hate and fear. All about making up imaginary scenarios to be mad about to justify persecuting others.

And now their dream team is in total control. There’s literally no future under these circumstances that ends well.

We’re in for a long period of decline and it’s going to be rough. Especially on the younger crowd. But hey, they helped give this election to Republicans, so now they get to reap what they sow.

It’s a week since election day.

You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably. We aren’t even done living with the negative effects of that experience. We have one of the most poignant examples in history of what creeping fascism/authoritarianism can lead to. There are people still alive today that can tell us about it.

We don’t listen. We don’t learn.

This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.

We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.

Why is it on Democrats to treat proudly ignorant, deplorable people with respect?

Why are Democrats held to higher standards?

But if we don’t learn from out mistakes

We already haven’t.

it’s likely we will keep making them.

We already have.

It isn’t just that we failed a test. We failed the most obvious test we could have possibly been given. This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes. And we utterfly failed.

Literally doesn’t matter now.

My attitude doesn’t make ignorant people less ignorant. Those people are going to be ignorant no matter what I say or do. That’s the nature of ignorance.

Dems had the presidency and Congress

When and for how long? Because they had a majority for a short time at the beginning of Biden’s presidency but two “Democrats” kept voting against Democrat legislation, destroying their very slight majority. One of them has since declared themselves independent and has been voted out of Congress.

you didn’t hear a single one of them talk about raising wages

Biden had to use exectutive order to raise the minimum wage of federal contractors, because he can do that without Congress, because they’re federal employees. Another Biden accomplishment that went right over your head. It’s also largely up to states to determine minimum wage. In California we just voted on raising the minimum wage higher than it already is, which I believe is $15, which is higher than a federal minimum wage increase would be anyways.

addressing corporate corruption

Democrats introduced an anti-corruption bill in 2019. Again, when they actually held a majority for a short period in Biden’s presidency, those two pesky “Democrats” kept voting their legislation down. One of them was making big money from the oil industry. Again, it was a majority, but an ultra-slim majority. Can’t get much done with that.

You need to understand that your opinions are formed from a place of ignorance. You are commenting, and voting, from a standpoint of ignorance. Which is largely why you are a Green Party voter. A party that cannot, and will not, win an election, because they haven’t done the national canvassing necessary to build a coalition that can actually win federal elections.

We’re very sorry we weren’t nicer to the proudly ignorant and morally devoid.

If you vote for a party that’s historically better for the economy and doesn’t run convicted felons and rapists who illegally attempted to overturn an election, you are 100% smarter than the guy next door and you shouldn’t have to pretend that you’re not to appease them.

pretending you’re better than everyone else is definitely a choice.

If you voted Democrat in this election, you are absolutely better than someone who voted for Republicans or the Green Party (a vote for Republicans). You are better ethically and economically. You’ll spend the next 4 years (or more) learning that the hard way.

Democrats used to be the party of the working poor but they’ve morphed into the party of ideological superiority.

If you bothered to pay attention to the legislation Democrats, to this day, still pass or attempt to pass, you’d know that they are still very much the party of the working poor.

It’s high time you sit down and review the voting history of the Democrat and Republican parties so you can actually educate yourself. And no, I don’t care about the Green Party because they are not, and will not be anytime in the foreseeable future, powerful enough to introduce, much less pass legislation.

I’m a Green Party voter

Are you one of the ones responsible for making Donald Trump president by voting for Jill Stein? Because all available metrics indicate that we’re in for way harder economic times under Trump (or even just Republicans in general). Anyone actually paying attention to Biden’s policies knew we were slowly climbing out of a hole the pandemic and the Trump presidency left us in. And we were climbing out of that hole faster than other countries affected by the pandemic. Now you can kiss that goodbye. Not to mention, Democrats are historically better for our economy than Republicans.

So if you voted for Jill Stein you really have no room to complain about the economy. You just helped make it worse.

There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes.

We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?

The rest of us need to do our part and educate

I love your optimism. But it just won’t work. We now know the majority of Americans are ignorant and uninterested in learning, even from mistakes. You can present these people with facts and stats and infallible logic all day long and it won’t make a difference.

We gleefully voted in a convicted felon and rapist who ALREADY had a failed presidency and openly talked about being anti-union and anti-worker rights who stated on national television that he had the concept of plans.

The only direction this society is going is down.

Those protections are gone and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.

Yup. We gave all the keys to the kingdom to the crazies and we’re about to find out how bad of a choice that was.

And honestly, I couldn’t care less how much Americans suffer now. That part of me is gone. We asked for it and now we’re going to get it. Time to learn the hard way. Not that we’re going to learn.

It doesn’t matter how much conservatives suffer from conservative policy. They will ALWAYS find someone to blame but themselves. Hell, there are parts of our country that feel like 3rd world countries when you drive through them that have been voting Republican exclusively for generations and they still don’t understand why their lives suck so much.

Wouldn’t have helped. Learning isn’t what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.

Can’t fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

We’re done.

Americans are even dumber than that.

A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.

That’s how stupid Americans are. And this election showed us that the majority of Americans are that stupid. When a majority of a society is that stupid, there are no happy endings. We’re set for a period of long decline.

We’re all set to suffer for the foreseeable future, but no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.

I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer. They deserve it.