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So women are more disposable and companies cut “soft skills” first. Great, working with tech companies is already full of people with absolutely no social intelligence, let’s cut the “fluff” departments (yet what hires on the tech spots? Insurance and the other underpinnings of the compensation packages), and then people show up with “wElL iTs NoT wOmEn iN TeCh”.

It’s the same energy as when an article gets posted about racial equality. So many ways to talk around a big societal problem.

The mods keep saying they’re staying to protect their users, but they should be off boarding to another site if they really care. They have already lost the power to take care of their community, they’re already bending to reddit.

If you keep your group on reddit you just want mod powers on a popular site, you aren’t protecting anyone. I just can’t accept “i care enough to stay and keep my power to obey reddit admins” is so weaksauce.

I mean, if you don’t convey emotions to friend via gifs I don’t know what to tell ya!

I am going to not be able to find obscure gifs i remember from the 2000’s 😩

yup! I also know there are some in ‘safe’ social groups who make the threats because they, as a member of that group, never (or so rarely they aren’t ACTUALLY worried) get attacked. But the groups they use death threats against DO experience such violence, (a fact that the free speech absolutist will argue against, while not even listening to the facts of the matter) and at the very least, I know I second guess the effort of engaging anyone who is willing to threaten to hurt me specifically. Or a question the value of talking with someone like that.

So that is why free speech absolutists LIKE being allowed to make death threats: those who experience violence disengage (or leave) and no one arguing makes them feel in the right. “No one is disagreeing, it means I am correct! It has nothing to do with the shotgun I put in the face of anyone who talks to me!”

It is horrifying.

sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug. it’s also why a lot of people stay in bad relationships (friends/romantic/family/etc)

“We do not condone death threats and will continue to remove accounts when we believe their posts represent targeted harassment or a credible threat of violence. But not all heated language crosses the line into a death threat,” Graber said in a weekend thread. “Wisely or not, many people use violent imagery when they’re arguing or venting. We debated whether a “death threat” needs to be specific and direct in order to cause harm, and what it would mean for people’s ability to engage in heated discussions on Bluesky if we prohibited this kind of speech.”

Well I was curious about Bluesky (they’re still on a waitlist when I check so even their beta has bad actors lol) but a space that hems and haws about death threats? You can be the rudest son of a bitch and never threaten harm! This reminds me of that stupid decision by the Supreme Court that “oh well they didn’t REALLY intend to kill you”. If someone threatens me, it becomes my job to decide if it was real or not? Wtf?

Goddamn free speech absolutism has taken some crazy pills. I remember ‘fighting words’ concept, a death threat used to be understood as almost enough to warrant self-defense preemptively. Now everyone does it and “don’t really mean it”. 🙄

Youtube shorts being visually hard to tell the difference but being in my sub lists AND breaking the queuing is obnoxious. I have been cutting myself off from google products as much as I can, they are just so shitty now.

Maybe im so normie i don’t get it, but isnt it about the same personal advice we would have given for any platform?

Im sorry I’m from the forum days when you always knew you were responsible for how safe you are. I’m laughing because people can’t get their data deleted from corporate companies either, is it really still news anything you post is public and will probably not be removable?

I appreciate the care, i do, but on some level some of this is trying to bubble people who aren’t being responsible. If admins really wanted to protect people from themselves, then we’d remove most personally identifiable things interesting and unique about posts.

I’d also argue stalking has more to do with the mental health issues of the stalker than the victim being to blame for how they interacted with the world. We don’t tell a student not to participate in lectures because someone may latch onto something they said and become infatuated. We punish stalkers instead.

Idk this is a ramble. I see so many things so often that used to be personal responsibility on online safety, that instead of teaching the skills we make tools. And i feel like not teaching good personal safety and protection is goong to doom any project ultimately.

You can’t fix ignorance without education.

Right? Be the change you want to see in the world OP!

The people who accept these trade-offs are not normal, and they’re in charge

so this is just inflammatory?

Seriously, I have been trying and slowly learning as Linux too has been developed to be more user friendly, am I “failing”?

This is a really poor take by someone it feels like spent more time on this post and the complaints than trying at all to adapt to the new place.

Like this bit:

So what does Mastodon bring to the table in addition to Twitter, that might justify someone deciding to take the plunge and move to it? There are a few unique things about the platform, but they generally fall into the broad category of “things users don’t care about”. Chief among these is decentralisation.

You wat? I want a place to talk to people, REAL PEOPLE, about topics (and that can be searched using hashtags, which you can).

The point of Mastodon is it isn’t Twitter but offers a lot of the socializing of twitter! What?!

They really let just anyone post anything.

as true as this is, it means the developers are the ones with more power to stop things being taken over, and clearly as you said, they won’t.

truth is it means you can’t trust open source devs who touch with for-profit money at all, they’re all as corpo and crooked and are willing to sell everyone out for themselves.

Yes, you explained your personal and local experience and it works for you. It’s hilarious that a stable phone network with a private/public partnership to maintain access in one country is not unerstood by those in countries who have only recently set up any kind of “stable” way of contacting their people.

We used postal for all federal contact for decades. It’s really narrow understanding of people.

But yeah that’s the internet for you.

I hope you are joking to act like the Europe is American and talking so authoritatively with just personal experience and frankly you seem very naive. American have to have local numbers spoofed often in order to be scammed by these other countries.

What are the WhatsApp scam rates?

Phone numbers were required for business for the longest to incorporate, so it was a way of showing legitimacy. Even now, a physical location gives customers comfort.

Jesus Christ you just have to be right but you have lived such a small life.

I see. I did assume you were from a place that would have had to adjusted to that due to recent infrastructure.

The US has had telephones since 1800. The culture is not as new.

I live near a major city, most people haven’t had to learn anything like that over their existence: we have good cell phone reception over wifi too, perhaps that is it.

Tech is just not reliable enough for me to have any experience working with anyone who I would take seriously or who would work with anyone like that. I thought you should know your experience isn’t the norm, especially in any place I have been in the USA.

Almost anyone who approached with Whatapp is seen as poor, fly-by-night, and likely a grift here. “Why not use your phone number if you are trustworthy?” Would be the opinion here.

I have had independent contractors offer it as an option, but most still have a phone number or have too many customers who aren’t tech savvy enough to use something like that. There’s really no way a reputable business in my area would survive that way.

What a lot of these places started out as, grew a userbase with, and then sold out when they got mainstream and popular.

Quality engagement can’t be found at those places once they become corporate!

Then maybe the reddit replacement aren’t ready for the big kid internet. I’m just not sure what to tell you, it sounds like I am more connected to my existence than the kinds of people you are talking about.

Everything else in my life has always been harder to tackle than signing up and understanding how to use a forum, it feels like someone just literally finding a speed bump and treating it like a fence, sitting down, and starting to sob.

Or you can just figure that out from the fact they are swamped? This constant need for instant satisfaction is unreasonable to expect from others.