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  • Hey, I got curious and decided to take a look at how things are going.

    Currently, there’s a big meta issue on Bugzilla (1907090) with dozens of sub-issues tracking development of tab grouping on desktop, and they’re actively being worked on right now. Seems like there’s simply a lot of work to be done, especially of the invisible sort, before we get the feature proper. But things are progressing nonetheless!

    So I’d say there’s no need to join the crowd asking that on every other announcement… but that’s just what I think. Hopefully this was helpful :^)














  • Right, Apple doesn’t have an ad-revenue & tracking empire to protect, and should Safari adopt PPA, the discussion changes. It would no longer be the API used merely by Firefox with its (estimated) 2.7% user base trying to gain any traction, it could be Chrome holding back the tech used by a cumulative (estimated) 20% of web users. That’s a very different conversation.

    Also, despite advertisers and big tech’s best efforts, the chance remains that legislation is passed somewhere imposing stricter privacy protections on the web. Again, should that happen, PPA might be well positioned as an alternative to past methods of measuring ad effectiveness that advertisers wouldn’t necessarily like… but any alternative that works could make them less resistant to such an important change.

    All hypothetical, of course, but if you never consider future possibilities, what are you even aiming for?



  • Thought I’d forgotten 'bout this comment, didn’tcha? Sorry to say, I’m very good at restarting old discussions instead of sleeping on time.

    I tried looking into this again, and although I’m not sure, I don’t think you can. Please do comment if you have any insight on this.

    I trimmed down the fat and replaced it with “…”, but feel free to open the GH terms of use and read the cited sections yourself.

    Wall of terms

    A. Definitions

    The “Service” refers to the applications, software, products, and services provided by GitHub, including any Beta Previews.

    Pretty sure this includes Copilot.

    “Content” refers to content featured or displayed through the Website, including without limitation code …

    D. User-Generated Content, 3. Ownership of Content, Right to Post, and License Grants

    Because you retain ownership of and responsibility for Your Content, we need you to grant us … legal permissions, listed in Sections D.4 — D.7. These license grants apply to Your Content. … You understand that you will not receive any payment for any of the rights granted … The licenses you grant to us will end when you remove Your Content from our servers, unless other Users have forked it.

    (emphasis mine)

    1. License Grant to Us

    … You grant us … right to store, archive, parse, and display Your Content, and make incidental copies, as necessary to provide the Service, including improving the Service over time. This license includes the right to do things like … analyze it on our servers …

    (emphasis mine)

    1. Moral Rights

    You retain all moral rights to Your Content that you upload, publish, or submit to any part of the Service, including the rights of integrity and attribution. However, you waive these rights and agree not to assert them against us, to enable us to reasonably exercise the rights granted in Section D.4, but not otherwise.

    To the extent this agreement is not enforceable by applicable law, you grant GitHub the rights we need to use Your Content without attribution and to make reasonable adaptations of Your Content as necessary to render the Website and provide the Service.

    (emphasis mine)

    While there is this option on the GH settings for Copilot:

    • Allow GitHub to use my code snippets from the code editor for product improvements

    …I find it entirely unclear what, precisely, is being disallowed when this is unchecked. Surrounding text and links are unhelpful.

    Also, if I understand the relevant law properly here, many AI companies are likely betting on training being fair use. Your rights, your power to dictate terms in a LICENSE, are thus irrelevant if fair use applies. I lack the background to tell how the COPIED Act, were it to pass, would change this in regard to code, if at all.

    Finally, there’s that question… do you actually trust companies to follow the rules in good faith?



  • Didn’t think I had to say it explicitly. As far as influencing Mozilla’s course, I don’t believe those to be very helpful methods. A fork may be helpful, but it highly depends on the developer(s). I argue against the second one all the time. Third is laughably counterproductive.

    Mozilla is capable of responding to (esp. proper) feedback. For example, regardless of what you think about the subject, the community sent a pretty clear message when they started accepting cryptocurrency donations, which I’m sure they’re still keeping in mind to this day.

    Point being, engaging with them is one thing that helps and I can do just fine. No need for “endless doom screeching.”

    Re: positive news. Yes, on paper it can. We’ll see how it turns out in reality. I’ve explained why I’m not immediately into it, though your comment seems to ignore that part of mine. I do want it to work out though, if for no other reason than because what’s done is done and ultimately, I just want Firefox to thrive.