• Moops@lemmy.world
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      Right!? I’ve been so confused by the notion of Trump being the anti-Israel vote. That’s not what I heard him say.

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        I had someone arguing at me here, with the supreme confidence of the ignorant, that trump and Harris would be the same for Palestineans.

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          I thought those accounts went dormant after the election. Maybe there’s still some OpenAI credit left on the controller?

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            They are trying to foment division among trump’s opposition, the disinfo machines never stop until there is a civil war or collapse.

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            One of those dumb fucks already responded here.

            But Id like to think they’re AI instead of just mind numbingly stupid.

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          The Harris/Biden comparison was more valid, although we can’t be sure she would stay that path once in office and with pressure from Congress and public. But at least there was a chance of both of those. Anyone who thought Trump wouldn’t ramp things up or would listen to calls for change…I don’t know what they were thinking. He’s never done that, never been like that. His history as a businessman and as a President for four years is right there to review.

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            The thing is that Harris could be moved by progressives winning primaries and the 2026 midterms at the very least. There is almost no hope of something similar for trump.

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          I I genuinely wonder what would change? What’s worse than denying and backing the genocide with weapons, soldiers and money under Biden? What worse could Trump do?

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            The West Bank, where roughly half of Palestineans live was more or less left alone as one of yhr administrations red lines (also, Iran’s oil/nuclear facilities.)

            With trump incoming, it seems Israel feels they have a green light to expand in the West Bank.

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              Israel have been aggressively expanding in the West Bank since October 7, and intensified their campaign at around the same time they started the war with Lebanon. There are no red lines.

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                What new settlements happened thete in the last year? You are conflating an increase in tensions and conflict with expansion.

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                    You are arguing with absolute liars. It’s like people only thinking this mess accelerated under Biden (who is the most paid politician by AIPAC) is just a coincidence. As if Israel hasn’t been expanding into some of the most important Palestinian cities while the world focuses on Gaza.

                    It’s the same people who say what can Biden possibly do while funding their military operations. Trump sees the praise Biden is getting from Congress and actually thinks Biden must have been doing something right. Yet, somehow there was a good choice for people who want to see Palestine prosper (Those who pretend that Harris would do better because she doesn’t shout her plans out like some cliché comic book villain).

                    But let’s call Trump a huge liar and let’s take his word at face value when it’s convenient for us. I’m sure the Democrats who never learn a thing will be excited to lose the next election as well. Obviously, Trump won’t be a good president but Democrats lost because they were seen as slightly less evil but with no charisma.

                    It’s not us, everyone else is just stupid. - Democrats

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              Thank god that the Palestinian that got their land stolen and are living like second grade citizen under apartheid are no touch. All thanks to daddy US !. You and I both know the red line is to not bomb their own Israeli settlers, right? They always had the green light… nothing really changed.

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                  If you deny that they’re living under apartheid, the term used by south Africa itself to describe the palestinian situation, then there’s need to discuss any further.

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          I mean yeah he would be/is, at least until Israel’s genocide is over. There is literally nothing Trump can do (at least while beholden to the public and Congress) in this war that Biden hasn’t already done.

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            That’s the silliest damn thing.

            Why do you think Israel announced they were annexing the West Bank right after the election?

            Ignorant goddamn children spouting off about global politics.

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              So first, I can’t actually find anything about this except Smotrich pushing for annexation so do you have a source that says they’re going to go forward with annexation? Now second, Smotrich started yapping about annexing West Bank settlements (not the whole West Bank; if Israel did that they’d have to give Palestinians rights) literally a day or two after the election, meaning he already had plans for something similar before then. You don’t just wake up and start taking steps towards annexing an occupied territory that’s not how that works.

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                You mean, finance minister Smotrich?

                And yes, believe it or not, the Israelis were not the only people on Earth who didn’t know about the election of their largest ally and presumably gameplanned for either a Harris or trump victory.

                The fact Smotrich held back from saying anything until after the election tells you the election mattered in terms of what happens next.

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                That is precisely why you had to avoid trump’s carte blanche at all costs.

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              I mean he is to an extent. Everyone is talking like the fascist project in America is finished, but it’s not and there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to complete it. That said it’s mostly Congress doing the heavy lifting here; there are enough sane Republicans that Trump wouldn’t be able to get away with some of the more outrageous stuff.

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                I would love to see the list of Republicans in Congress whose districts/states WEREN’T carried by pro-Trump zealots and who WOULDN’T lose their seats if they went against Trump.

                Hint: it could fit on an index card, double spaced

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                  I mean there were Republicans opposed to one of his appointments (don’t remember who) and you only need four of them to side with the Democrats to get a majority.