If they won’t take them, maybe we could put all these Columbians in some sort of District. A District of Columbia filled with criminals. Wait, we already have that.
Columbia != Colombia. The real joke though is for those who don’t know the difference.
I like how his statement paints not accepting refugees as a negative action
Trump wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it walked up and kicked him in the balls.
Norman Finkelstein said something the other day, quoting someone else…it was…“hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue”. Meaning, evil people understand what they’re doing is wrong, that’s why they pretend to be good. Hypocrisy is beyond the point to them. They’ve sacrificed morality. Although I think Finkelstein was saying it in the context of talking about how Republican pols do so much less of even pretending to be good (though certainly not zero).
I don’t think Finkelstein’s quote takes into account a severe narcissist.
In the narcissistic mind, the only right is something that benefits them, and the only wrong is something that harms them.
Well, the proof’s in the pudding - examine the evidence on this point, does he pretend to be something he’s not, better than what he is?
Ironically, so does your comment. You mean actively and forcibly ejecting refugees.
The economic vs. refugee character of the people he ejected is unclear AFAIK, though.
My comment alludes to Trump’s negative opinion of refugees
Oh, negative morally.
How does it do that? These were Colombian citizens being moved unwillingly, not refugees.
Saying the president is already unpopular and now he won’t take these people makes it sound like taking refugees would boost his popularity
Trump however by doing this shows he thinks taking refugees is a bad thing
Forcibly relocating refugees doesn’t make them no longer refugees, it just makes you (the one relocating them) a bad person/in violation of international law
Ah. Then I’ll go back to my first comment.
Suit yourself, it was just pointing out hypocrisy
What refugees?
What would you call forcibly expatriated people
How or by what were they forced to leave their country?
By whoever put them on the plane they were on on Trump’s order that is mentioned in the post we’re talking about.
He is deporting Americans? That’s your argument? What does it take to become American?
I dunno, you tell me. I wasn’t making an argument just answering your dumb ass question.
Lol you answered nothing at all. Did you even read my original question?
You missed the point where the people were cuffed the whole flight, were dehydrated and transported in military planes like cattle. That’s why those planes were rejected.
The president send his own jet to get these people back because they are people not cattle.
So he saw these people were transported like cattle, dehydrated and mistreated, and instead of letting them get off the planes, he’s sent them back in those same planes so he can retrieve them with normal planes?
Unless I am missing something, I feel like you’d want those people to not fly in a plane like that again.
Either the plane didn’t take off in the first place, case in which rejecting it would make sense.
Or those planes landed in Colombia, then sent back so they can be brought in proper planes, extending the suffering for no reason.
The planes (there were two) landed in Brasil. I don’t know if that’s where they came from in the first place.
A note: Usually these people are brought back using normal commercial flights. Only this time they used military planes.
I see. I thought they landed in Colombia but were sent back to the U.S.
Thank you for the clarification
Then Columbia put 50% tariffs on the US.
Love it.
Lol. They caved.
The US caved actually, Petro point was that the deportees werent treated like garbage.
Bent the knee.
Sanctions not going through Congress, it’s insane that’s considered constitutional
He governs by decrees basically, and so did biden. Its mental gymnastics at olympic level to call the US a democratic country.
Getting married to a Colombian woman as an America. Is this going to hinder her from getting a marriage visa and coming to America with me?
It’s anyone’s guess, but Trump’s an idiot.
When did you submit the marriage visa? Also congrats! My wife is also Colombian and these last few days have been a fun time
Edit: I wish I could supply more information directly, but I am still trying to learn the visa processes. A local immigrant lawyer runs a daily Q&A stream if you want to hop in and see if you can get a slot to ask about your situation. Link: Jim Hacking immigration law. Dood is a good guy who doesn’t bullshit and gets straight to the point. I hope everything goes well for you and your SO
We are getting married at the notary today so she hasn’t applied for it yet! I am here I Colombia with her so sorry for the late reply. Internet is spotty I will look better when I arrive at her house. Thank you!
Yay! Wishing you both the best. I feel weird promoting a YouTube stream but it’s helping me learn a lot by just listening and hearing people’s stories. I believe the Zoom number and Whatsapp numbers are posted on his page. Looks like today’s is scheduled for 3:30PM COT/UTC -5 and tomorrow’s is 6:30PM COT/UTC -5.
Congratulations and commiserations!
It certainty make it easier.
You both are getting rounded up for the next flight lmao
I was born and raised in the deep south brother. Hate to be rude but fuck off.
Man, I’d love to meet the man, just so I could tell him to fuck off and die.
Or, like a late friend put it: May lightning strike him when he sits on the shitter.
We can only hope.
A lot of these actually are criminals why should we have to keep them?
It’s really simple if you have a basic, or very tiny, ability to think about it for two seconds. Let’s see if I can help. Criminals being deported are a huge problem for any receiving county, you see, they often don’t have any legal pretext to imprison or arrest them, if they committed crimes in anther nation, it’s unlikely the can collect evidence, or call witnesses to a legal process, also, it’s quite rare to have laws that apply to actions that occurred outside all legaly boundaries. It’s it illegal if an American goes to a county they don’t have documentation to be in, then commit crimes outside the US against other people without any way for the US to detect or prove these actions? So if Colombia has an American who kills dozens of people in their country, and is charged and sentanced to life without parole, and then the decide YEARS after the fact to put them on a plane to LAX and throw them off the plane with no other effort, do you want to let that plane land? That’s fucking insane. The solution to this problem already exists. Instead of being a fascist stupid fuck, you can create an extradition process where we can accept the Colombian legal process and transfer them ourselves to a US prison without dumping serial killers at an airport on their own.
Being a threatening authoritarian isn’t solving this problem, and thinking every country in the world will simply accept people who have been convicted an sentanced in another nation is fucking stupid. And thinking they can’t manage to exist outside US economic good will it’s also stupid. If he think burning every ally in Latin America is going to hurt them more than us, he’s as dumb as everyone already knows.
We don’t actually know what is going on. We had a system that favored protections for people presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Now Trump is moving so fast with a process that is not transparent and a rhetoric that is hostile and unsympathetic towards all immigrants. People are understandably suspicious that the immigrants were given a fair chance to defend their legal presence in the USA.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
They’re already rounding up native Americans in these groups. It’s only a matter of time until they start deporting randomly to other countries because ICE was already an incompetent organization and has done that previously numerous times, speeding things up just means more fuckups. Which is of course, the plan. Because it’s not about illegals, or immigrants, it’s about non-whites.
Yeah, why shouldn’t we send all Republicans to another country? Or how about those criminals guilty of being Jewish, or black, or gay? Or how about the crime of “looking too Mexican,” like the US did to US citizens during Operations Wetback 1 & 2.
Also, love how you even say “some of them are criminals,” not all of them. Meaning that you’re okay with gathering up some amount of innocent people and sending them to a different country with nothing more than the clothes on their backs.
And let’s get this clear, sending someone back to their “home” country without a plan or an actual home to go to should be a criminal act. These people are often productive members of US society who pay more taxes than Aotus. They already have homes and family in the US.
This is beyond despicable and crosses into the the realm of pure evil.
actually are criminals
Where was this disdain for criminals at voting time?
Because we’re not entitled to force some other country to take them!
WTF did you think the answer was‽
Ah yes, because criminals are subhumans who should be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. And if we can’t take the trash out back like we should we can at least make it not our problem and make sure the cockroaches aren’t in our backyard. That’s what you’re saying right?
Viva Colombia
It would be a good idea that Mexico, Columbia and other latin countries promote the Trump Wall, but expelling all US residents in their countries. A wall always works in both directions.
Well, there goes Colombian coffee and bananas!
I mean … they can still come in, they are just 25% more expensive for Americans
more. middle-men gonna middle on that 25%.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Not like Colombia doesn’t already have a rich history of smuggling high-demand US contraband over the border, but it will be weird to start getting all my coffee shipped by way of Langley.
Even weirder when they start packing coffee in cocaine to throw off the dogs.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Can’t wait to get me some bootleg coffee beans
Langley
deep, deep burn. CIA flights imminent.
You don’t understand, tariff is promoting the emergence of American made alternative, by next week you will find American grown coffee and bananas in the supermarket.
🤣
So we’re all drinking Kona now?
And 50% more later on :)
Colombian
y cocaina amigo.
Ooo boy Don Jrs gonna have a hard time with this one
Lol I thought the same thing
Maybe Elon will spot him
Elon’s probably on Krokodil
Elon looks like he’s on krokodil
Nope, Colombia caved within minutes.
Maybe the US should take back the US members of ISIS that have been left (along with the people from the other nations that joined ISIS) for the Kurds to keep.
Well you see, we have long and storied history of fucking over the Kurds. You wouldn’t want to tarnish that record would you?
Cool, more tariffs to punish…us?
His base see it as him punishing Columbia and they’ll later be surprised at how much some things cost and blame liberals for it.
You’re behind the news. Colombia caved within minutes. No tariffs. The idea was to push them to take their citizens back, and it worked.
Once again the orange toddler throws a tantrum and gets his way.
His cult is right about one thing - he gets shit done. It’s horrible shit, but he gets it done.
If you count spreading shit all over the walls getting stuff done then sure. Personally, I think he is just making a smelly mess.
Right now it seems he’s getting anything he wants. (gestures at OP) I hope there’s an end to that, but until then, yeah, I must angrily conclude, dude gets shit done. (Using the most reprehensible methods, and with shitty outcomes, but that’s what his base voted for, so I’m quite sure they have few complaints right now.)
And I will keep pointing out that getting shit done is not fucking shit up and making things worse. That is just making a shitty mess.
I don’t care for the opinions of his supporters mainly because they have no real opinions. One Trumper I ran into today said good thing Drump is a making Federal workers go back to work because they are waiting on their SSD determination.
You can’t make this level of brain dead up.
“Criminals they forced into the United States” = “Invasion”
“Repatriation” != “Deportation”
Repatriation is what happens when you return a POW to their country of origin. Deportation is when you return a criminal to their country of origin.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system. They can be held indefinitely without charges, or returned to their country of origin, without judicial oversight. Since deportation is a judicial process, POWs are not subject to deportation.
POWs are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of US law; Trump is arguing that the children of “invader-immigrants” can’t be citizens.
The term repatriation is not in any way exclusive to POWs. It was, for example, used extensively during COVID when talking about voluntary repatriation of expats to their home countries.
True. I should have been more clear: Deportation requires the involvement of the judicial branch. Repatriation has no such requirement. “Repatriation” is a more generic term for returning to one’s country of origin.
I did not mean to suggest that “repatriation” was exclusive to POWs, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I meant to distinguish between judicial and non-judicial.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
That’s… Not true.
POWs do not need to be charged with a crime. Indeed, under international treaties and laws governing armed conflict, POWs generally can’t be criminally charged for simply participating in hostilities.
They can be held without charge until the conclusion of hostilities. They are not entitled to the protections afforded to the accused, because they are not accused. They are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
By describing them as “invaders”, he is suggesting that immigrants be treated as enemy combatants.
illegal Criminals
As opposed to the legal kind.
He’s the president of the United States
Who? An illegal criminal?
HereBeter is saying that trump is a legal criminal… you know, since he has been found guilty of many crimes, yet hasn’t had to have any consequences.
E.g. donald trump, or are you disagree that he is a legal criminal, according to his sentence. Like, a criminal yes, but we don’t judge you, because clearly not everyone is the same in front of the law, apparently.
That would be Wall Street
Look, I know that immigration is a contentious issue, but sanctioning a country for not repatriating its citizens is a disproportionate response. Trump and Co. are really obsessed with immigration to even do this. It says a lot what values they have.
Are those people really Columbian citizens? I would not put it past Trump to just command ICE to land the next plane full of “somehow latin looking people” somewhere south of the border.
It’s a response to make them do it. And it worked. They caved.
Yeah, I just saw the news that Colombia gave in.
Trump is going all in. He’s reverting to the 19th century way of strong arming other countries over petty things. He’s reviving the old-school capitalist imperialism.
He’s reviving the old-school capitalist imperialism.
It never went away…
Nothing wrong with throwing your weight around in this situation.
He does that to strongarm companies into complying, because it works. It’s also setting an example for other countries to cooperate.
I suppose, but we’re talking about international diplomacy. And a modern one at that.
Trump’s strong arming sounds so 19th century though. His open threat of taking Panama canal, Canada, Greenland, and renaming the Gulf of Mexico is so manifest destiny.
Trump’s strong arming sounds so 19th century though
20th century too! If a government didn’t do what we wanted them to do, we just couped their government, and installed a dictator.
I mean, how do you think Sadaam Hussein got into power?
Yes, it does have a lot of similarities.
You expect “reasonable” from the orange idiot?
