I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
Yeah, this post has big “third party voter” energy.
No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
Remember, the Democrats aren’t allowed to call the Republicans fascists. It might hurt their feelings, and the Dem’s corporate masters don’t want any Republicans to have their feelings hurt. That’s why “weird” got tossed to the wayside despite being effective, that’s why Biden was chastised for calling Trump garbage, and that’s why even though Trump was “an enormous threat to our democracy,” the Dems refused to call a spade a spade. Meanwhile, Republicans are allowed to scrape the shit from their ass and sling it wherever they want.
What did you really expect the controlled opposition to do? Give a rousing speech about the tough times ahead? Inspire worker solidarity? The DNC is the poster child for corrupt old boomers, they do not give a fuck. They made millions of dollars off this election and will see zero consequence.
What I expect from Democrats in power is spinelessness and acquiescence, and they almost always deliver.
And yet, you all would vote for them in the blink of an eye again if the opportunity presented itself
Well, sure. You’re either with Team D or you’re with The Terrorists.
All we can do is vote for Dems. And when we do vote for Dems, all we can do is vote for the least offensive-to-conservatives Dems, in hopes that Liz Cheney can break away enough angry racist Memaws and Pep Peps to swing the election.
And when that fails, all we can do is blame those damned leftists for parading around with their stupid little “Stop Doing Genocide In Gaza” placards, because that’s obviously the reason Donald Trump is president.
Then we need to organize and unionize and agitate and protest for a few weeks in January when its the least influential or effective. After which we need to be reasonable and serious about compromising with the moderate wing of fascism again.
Hey, don’t fucking lump me in with those assholes. I’ve been calling out the Blue MAGA bullshit from the second .world started pushing it.
It’s more than nothing.
Just wanted to point out that the opposite of your prediction happened:
Sometimes it’s delightful to be wrong.
They held a vote over if you wanted them to do something, and democrat voters stayed home while republicans showed up. We have literally no one to blame but ourselves. Vote if you get another chance, fight for that chance if you don’t.
Edit: Please don’t respond with your pathetic excuses for supporting fascism, I’m not reading them. I don’t care how you justified it.
False. The democrats ran a terrible campaign. Biden refused to step down, until it was too late to primary. They forced a candidate upon the country without a democratic process. Their campaign had terrible messaging and was tone deaf to the real situation the working class faces. They were unable to convince millions of voters that showed out for them last time to show up again. The democrats are more concerned with protecting their donors than they are protecting the working class and winning. Until you and everyone else oblivious can come to grips with this, nothing will change.
And before you say anything stupid, I voted for her.
OP isn’t wrong and neither are you. Democrats didn’t show up, republicans did that is why Harris lost.
But Harris lost because of everything you wrote as well.
Don’t forget the last 4 years of failing to deliver any meaningful improvements for the people who voted in 2020 or even stopping republicans from banning abortion. Also a year and a half of facilitating genocide while encouraging universities to beat the shit out of the very same politically-active students who would otherwise be campaigning for the democrats.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy? That doesn’t excuse them from not taking the gloves off and being very vocal about the roadblocks.
Gaza, while an issue is not moving the needle for the majority of voters.
What were they supposed to do without enough votes to pass policy?
Use executive orders. Instead of asking the SCOTUS to tell texas to remove the child drowning fence across the rio, and look like you don’t actually want it gone, send in a tank to tear it out. The commander in chief can just do that. They can also order military hospitals to provide women with reproductive healthcare.
Did you not remember the Trump administration, where he’d try something new every week, and even if it did get shut down, getting told “no” after you’ve already accomplished what you wanted is better than not trying at all.
Appoint a head of the DoJ that would throw Trump in prison and investigate Manchin’s family.
Appoint a head of the DEA who would actually reschedule cannabis. You don’t need congress for these things.
ml users are incapable of nuanced discourse.
This is instance-based hate speech, a direct violation of rule 6.
Please define “hate speech,” because you’re suggesting that your incapability of nuance is an immutable aspect of your character… Just saying.
Life is better if you bring a sense of humor, stranger.
Democrats could of stopped arming Israel but nooooo rather lose an election to fascists
Netanyahu started a war with Palestine to get liberals pissed off at Democrats who basically have their hands tied due to the Jewish relationship with Dems and Israel being tied to our national security.
hands were not tied. thats a myth. the jewish community itself was divided over gaza. they would not have lost enough votes from the zionists for it to matter if harris bothered promise upholding existing american laws. meanwhile they lost critical demographics in key in two swing states that did cost them those states while simultaneously showing every minority group in the nation that they’re willing to toss any of them under the bus.
Oh boy, now you’re gonna get all the “no, it’s Democrats’ fault that I didn’t vote!” people desperately trying to assuage the guilt they’re feeling for the idiotic decision that they made in the face of countless people pleading with them not to.
I voted for Kamala. The blame is 100% on her and the Democrats for losing. Let’s forget policy entirely and look at their strategic choices. They didn’t hold a primary despite 60% of their own voters wanting a different candidate. They hid signs of Biden’s cognitive decline until they were too public to ignore. When it was clear he could not win, they appointed a successor who failed to win a single state in 2020. She then went on to hire the same people who lost to Trump in 2016, and they lost again by running the same strategy of, “court disaffected Republicans,” which failed n 2016.
It is the job of a political party to get people to vote for their candidate. The party failed to do this through spectacular incompetence. They are the only people who should feel guilty.
lololol i have zero guilt over 3rd party vote. harris failed to do her job and present a case that would have made her an appealing candidate and therefor lost to fucking trump, who would have lost to a wet sandwich. Thats 100% entirely harris’ fault for the campaign she ran which was built on ‘not trump, not going to do shit for working class, oh and fuck arab americans genocide is a okay’
Im going to enjoy every minute of this cycle watching tears from a party that has been fucking over americans for my entire life and gaslighting them about it.
FUCKING SAME. it’s schadenfreude drinking liberal tears at this point. They’re so out of touch it’s laughable how much the country hates them.
This is a real “whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better”. Somehow everyone is compelled to vote for politicians who are complicit in a genocide, but not to vote for anyone else - by the overwhelming argument of “it’s what a lot of people voted for last time so we have to keep doing it”.
And it’s not the fault of the people who voted for the fascist that you’re focused on - or your own fault for voting for someone who’s also a fascist, but more subtle about it - no, it’s only the people who didn’t vote for any kind of fascist, who are at fault for the fascist being elected. I’m sure you think this logic is completely sane and not just the entire reason we have bipartisan fascism and support for genocide in the U.S., not to even get into the global empire.
Poor Biden and Harris right? They did their bestest but if the people dont like them then maybe they just won’t talk to them anymore. Good thing we have some adults in the room.
Guess who made an absurd amount of money losing the election? Do people not realize what donations are spent on?
Imagine spending a billion dollars on your elite media and consulting friends just to fucking lose
Edit: You said it better.
Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
they’ve said a lot of statements of caution
Who said what again?
their entire campaign was based on it. come on now bud don’t be dense. it was a shit campaign but it was 100% about what a danger trump was. they lost because they brought nothing else to the table and that was the problem.
The subject at hand is the coming transfer of power to fascists, not the election. Since November 5, 2024, Biden and Harris have had nothing to say.
dense it is. there is nothing to say. they lost, because they did a shit job on the campaign trail and a meh job during their administration.
🙄
biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot
Simply untrue.
it made headlines… simply google it.
also, his farewell speech was all warnings….
also, you’re a twatDuring the campaign, Biden and Harris each alluded to Trump being a fascist, once, in answer to insistent questioning. You said “biden and harris both called him a fascist… a lot,” which is simply untrue.
His farewell speech was more than I’d expected, though.
Not interested in insults.
i’m not interested in willful ignorance
The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
They’re doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
The majority of voters speak for us all, and we asked for racist plutocratic theocratic fascism.
I cannot fathom how any decent human being could cast any kind of vote for trump but the people that did are not the actual problem.
The fact that there where only 2 options of the same 2 cults the majority has gotten tired off is the problem.
It is post election and we sadly cant redo it. There is little sense to make a “us and them” between voters and non voters besides a subtle “told you so” now and then when leopards eat there faces. Always remember devision is a political weapon used against us. It would be the higher dynamic of the politica Theater working exactly as designed to make sure we the people cant organize power.
If you want ballot access reform and campaign finance reform, Vote Dem. You’re right that the Trump voters aren’t the problem the almost 7 million voters who stayed home compared to 2020 are.
… as always.
The
peoplemoneyed interests in charge of a deeply unrepresentative system have spokenFixed that for you. If not for several kinds of voter suppression and the Dem leadership being deaf to the left two thirds of the base, the GOP would have become permanently uncompetitive to the point of irrelevance DECADES ago.
What about this is hard to understand? They’re doing what we ask of them
False, see above. The US is one of the LEAST representative “democracies” in the world even when you DON’T count legal corruption as corruption.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
BIG “criticizing Biden means you love Trump” energy 🙄
No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
It’s a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there’s no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn’t be Biden and Harris.
We invision leaders who have moral fortitude, believe in justice, want to make the world better, and have a plan to do so.
What we actually have are people who showed up, people who sold out, people who can navigate petty social interactions, and people who cling to power because it’s their ticket to an easy life.
Never should anyone be surprised when they let us down. It’s all theatre and the few who might fit the bill get isolated and rejected because they threaten the rests existence.
Explain precisely what you want him to do. Should he refuse to hand over power in “defense of the constitution”? Be specific.
you can invade, stage coups and meddle in other countries to bring or protect “democracy” then why not your own?
Let’s try this again. Explain precisely what you want Biden to do. He specific. Rhetorical questions don’t count.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
What is happening now is a major failing of both parties. If they so desperately want to be the only two horses that get to race then they take responsibility for every other horse they’ve essentially knee capped.
I’ll tell you want I want him to do. Nothing. I want him to retire from politics. I want him to admit guilt that he never put up a fight and never intended to. I want him to be ashamed about the direction he lead the country in. I want him to denounce his stake in the DNC and encourage his peers to do the same.
I would only quibble that what you’ve suggested is not ‘nothing’. It’s not a lot, but it’s far more than Biden (or Harris) has ever done, or are ever likely to do. If either of them did what you suggest, they’d have my respect for the first time.
They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
They’re giving us a very quiet “then perish” right now.
They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
Exactly.
They’ll do even better because they can cynically fundraise off it. Almost like they lose on purpose and all their bleating about saving democracy is not to be taken seriously when they had four fucking years to try trump for j6 but slow walked it instead.
Just like they shouldn’t be taken seriously for protecting abortion rights when they had fifty fucking years to codify roe v Wade.
Or how they shouldn’t be taken seriously regarding healthcare when it was one of their own senators (there’s always a patsy) tanked single payer healthcare.
Same with raising the minimum wage. There’s always a patsy willing to play ball for the donor class.
They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
The fuck are they supposed to do!? We as Americans voted Trump or didn’t vote at all. Therefore, the fascists won.
Trump got the same votes as last time basically.
Democrats didn’t show up. Again.
I think too many of them felt complacent in the idea that Trump couldn’t win…
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
It is a fucking genocide. I’m Jewish. Never forget means never forget. Apparently to liberals it means forget when convenient because my team needs to win the imperialist capitalist Olympics!
No that’s probably a lot to do with it.
Given all the “We’re staying home because Kamala’s bad for Palestine… Wait Trump won? But he’s WORSE for Palestine, how could this happen!!!”
Yeah…
Edit: Well this aged like milk since Trump apparently just saved Palestine via getting Israel to ceasefire
Meanwhile a ceasefire is in the works to start when trump gets in office. Meaning it could of been done the entire biden admin but wasn’t. More liberal cope.
Yeah I… don’t know what’s going on here, between this and Trump actively telling his party he doesn’t give a shit what transpeople do I’m wondering if he’s somehow… I dunno I don’t wanna say good for the country, but… something outside of my expectaiton has happened
I’m not surprised. Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of a bait and switch. Except the christofascists are bloodthirsty and would turn on him in a heartbeat - remember how they booed him over the covid vaccine?
Edit - also there’s no saying that just because israel “agrees” to a ceasefire means they’ll actually follow through with it. For all we know it’s a wink and a nod.
“If only someone had warned us…”
Maybe it isn’t the fault of kids who oppose genocide… But it has to do with genocide joe and kamalacaust supporting a genocide?
Those kids are idiots who don’t understand how the world works. At best. At worst they’re know what they’re doing and lying for money.
The choice wasn’t genocide or rainbows. The choice was allowing the other country to do genocide or actively participating in the worst version of it. That was painfully, totally obvious to everyone with half a brain. Those people in question helped promoting the second choice that is worse for everyone but couple of rich dudes. They are absolutely to blame for what they did. They weren’t the only party to blame, but they absolutely were part of it.Biden was already doing the worst. The bar is in hell and can’t go much lower.
Do you think it has nothing to do with perpetually online kids screaming the word “genocide” all over the internet like they know what they’re talking about?
Boy, you really shoehorned that in.
Are you disputing that there’s a genocide against Palestinians? Are you disputing the Biden administration’s singular role in facilitating that genocide? Do you disagree that genocide is the worst crime mankind is capable of, short of perhaps total nuclear annihilation of all life? I’m not a “single issue” voter, but boy, if I had to pick one issue, it’d be fucking genocide. I honestly don’t know how you people live with yourselves.
I am describing the situation where people thought that they are chosing between a genocide and no genocide, where in reality it was absolutely painfully obvious that they were choosing between a lot of good with a little genocide and everything being worse and genocide being the worst of the worse.
And now every thing that Trump will do worse than Kamala ever was able to do is in part those people’s fault.
Because, and it’s weird that I need to repeat this so often, when you’re making a choice you need to chose of available options and can’t wish for a secret non-existent option. That never worked and that didn’t work this time either.
I wish I didn’t know how you people live with yourselves, but I unfortunately know.Can you literally just answer the questions I asked, instead of trying to reframe everything from your perspective?
In summary they’re ok with genocide so long as their preferred candidate wins. Typical liberal.
If you think the people who don’t like seeing American bombs ripping children apart day in and day out were enough to swing the vote, don’t you think the democrats should have listened to us?
I bet you feel better now, when more bombs will bomb more children and you helped this happen.
I did not make genocide unpopular. I did not make ending covid protections, doing fuckall about roe or the SCOTUS, failing to cancel student debt, failing to reschedule cannabis, quadrupling the tariff on chinese solar panels, EVs, and batteries all decrease turnout.
You had the choice between bad and worse. not an appealing choice. but everyone knew those who liked the orange monkey would go vote. so not voting, in protest against bad is a vote for worse.
so yes, the democrats in usa have lost the connection to their base. however, this doesn’t give anyone able to vote, the right to blame them for an elected baboon.
“You were handed a choice by the same system committing genocide, it’s on you to unquestioningly accept that choice and not seek any alternative, thereby guaranteeing all manner of crimes against humanity will continue indefinitely. I think this because I’m incapable of understanding that both parties supporting genocide completely discredits any theory about their political independence.”
You seeked an alternative, turns out the alternative is Trump. Do you feel good about what you have found? Are you capable of admitting to yourself that seeking of alternative would be better if there was a little less unhinged fascism?
They could’ve held a primary… Like a democracy kinda thing?
People who hate democrats calling for the democrats to overthrow the US government to save them after voting third party. Lol.
after
voting third partyafter not bothering to vote at all.
Edit: You can downvote if you like, but 88 million Americans sat on their arses instead of going out to prevent this shit show. That’s 11 million more than voted for either candidate.
It’s always the same tune with these “folks”.
They shoot themselves in the foot and go online to lament about how they’re oppressed now and it’s gotta be someone else’s fault.
By these “folks”… You’re talking about genocide joe and kamalacaust, right?
It’s honestly embarrassing and makes the left look bad.
And I’m sure someone will come in here to tell me that I’m a “shitlib” or something and not a leftist, because I don’t pass their horseshit purity test.
This is why the left can never do shit. Nobody else is the “correct” kind of left in their mind, and therefore they refuse to even deal with them, let alone attempt to form any kind of coalition. It’s so fucking cringe to anybody who lives in the real world.
Not supporting genocide is hardly a purity test. Typical liberal cope.
What would you be without straw men? So sad.
What other purity test are you referring to then? It’s genocide. That’s your purity test.
If the US had Defensive Democracy, then maybe they could do something.
But instead, we have whoever wins (aka: gets the most rich doners) gets to become president, even if they want to violate the very oath they are about to take.
Which means that the only thing that can stop the orange idiot is one high ranking military officer having the courage to arrest him as a domestic threat to America. Although that would come with its own set of problems. In other words, we’re fucked.
That would be considered an illegal coup, however ethical that act might be, it wont be legal, and thus nobody would do it. So yes indeed, we’re fucked.
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Yeah Trump won the election. That is how democracy works.
Reporter: “Would you ceded the election if you lose?”
Trump: “If it’s a fair election.”
The reds prepped for MONTHS if not longer to fight democracy if Trump lost. They had loads of active cases up until the election on loads of bullshit interference. Which all promptly disappeared when Trump won.
Democracy isn’t the issue. It’s the corruption of these rich assholes.
Also that they act in lock step, dissidents will be rooted out. So they become a (seemingly) united front, which helps immensely at systematically eroding democratic institutions or destroying political enemies
how it should work. we saw 4 years ago how that is not how it works under said fascism
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Civility is the highest liberal virtue.
Either it’s civility, or it’s compromise and reaching across the aisle, but of course even compromise must always be done with great civility.
Don’t blame them, blame the people who didn’t vote
But also blame the DNC for running a de-energizing campaign yet again.
People who weren’t energized enough by the perspective of Trump don’t count as citizens anyway. I don’t know what type of energy you personally wanted, but nothing will work on those who saw Trump’s shitshow and decided to sit this one out because Kamala didn’t dance enough or whatever
I think people were more tired because Kamala was dancing too much. As in, she and Biden were just there for show and didn’t really accomplish much. I did vote for her, but it wasn’t because of anything they did.
It might be because you didn’t pay attention to what the administration actually did. There is a problem that US citizens fundamentally don’t know what the president can or can’t do and what the processes are.
My main concern always has been and always will be Climate Change. His BBB program was never going to address that in a serious way.
It would have been nice to have more efforts reuniting those separated families that happened during Trump.
For me, the economy comes in way behind those issues.
I recently looked specifically for info on the separated kids, and all I could quickly find was an article saying the Biden administration had re-united several hundred families, but without any estimate of how many remained probably -permanently separated. Do you know a source for actual numbers on this?
Maybe the fact that people need to be “energized” in order to fucking vote is the problem?
Like I’m sorry, but “you just didn’t energize me enough” is not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever. Just goes to show the depth of the average American voter. Just completely devoid of critical thought.
not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever
I’m so sick of authoritarian pricks pretending they get to decide what is and is not valid in our system. People not voting is valid and the DNC failed to get them to change their mind
Stop huffing copium and deal with reality
My favorite is the old standby, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.”
The DNC has more power and resources to do something about it then I do. I can chew out individual people I meet, but I don’t really have the logistical rouses to go around telling 160 million people that Trump would be worse.
And yes, the American voter lacks critical thought. It’s something that takes a back seat to sports or job training in public education.
Let’s blame everyone for everything they did wrong. Blaming people who did nothing before you blame the actual Trump voters is literally insane.
No, blame Biden and his stupid arrogance.
The man knows his brain is melting AND he knows his presidency is unpopular, but sure, he’s going to waste months of campaign time and tens of millions of dollars, and then, to make it even better, he’s going to make sure no one in the Democratic Party tries to react to it like a reasonable person and politician.
Biden made plenty of mistakes but ultimately the people who didn’t vote are the most directly responsible, full stop.
The people who voted for Trump are obviously the most directly responsible, full stop with parking brake.
Each individual voter only had a say in their own vote unless they campaigned as well. Biden was in the position to change how he was seen by all voters. Who has more responsibility here?
And so they deserve fascism.
This attitude will forever lose, you know that, right? This unwillingness to adapt is loser behavior.
And so they deserve fascism.
Yeah, the person you replied to definitely did not say that.
Yes, they did.
This is the same smarmy, condescending attitude we got with Hillary Clinton. The DNC refuses to learn anything, they patronize people with “the stars shine brightest in the night sky,” and turn their nose up at their base for being too stupid to know what’s good for them.
It’s not enough to be ‘correct’ when the ship is sinking, we have to win.
Very inspiring, and all that, but I still don’t see where that person said that anyone “deserves” fascism.
The democrats knew genocide decreases voter turnout. They did it anyway. The democrats knew ending covid protections, banning tiktok, restarting student loan repayments, etc all lower voter turnout. They did it anyway.
You can wish that we lived in a world where these things didn’t lower voter turnout, but that’s not productive.
Only the democrats had the power to change the outcome of this election.
